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I had a brother in law, who took his own life in the 1960.s leaving a not quiet 3 year old son. No money worries, but alway a person who "put off" doing things,until he had everything possible , married 12 years before he would consider having kids!
Had to have the house, car etc.Had a broken childhood, which probably contributed to his state of mind! Sad really, but widow, did get married twice more

Hope you find your answer

If he served in WW2, he possibly had undiagnosed PTSD. I would doubt if much help and understanding of mental health issues would have been available even in the 50s and 60s.

There may not be any "logical" reason. You said he was a "strange private man" - maybe he had some undiagnosed mental health problem.

Well it's probably best to go the the Gov site where there are no breaks and it's free!

Ann, looks like you have the right BC and Choccy looks to have found Emily, easy to get mistaken about your age (especially as you get older) - or his wife might have guessed the year for 1939 register but knew not to forget his birthday!

It's a long way down the line, but your cousin could look for support on understanding the reasons for her father taking his own life. I have a friend who's husband did this back in the 1990s, and she has never got to grips with the reasons why - they were OK financially and had 3 very young children. I don't think she'll ever fully come to terms with it, but has to get on with life for the sake of the children.

All you can do is offer any support she needs even some 50 years down the line - looking at the family history is probably not going to give any reasons, just a bit about his background to better understand what he went through in childhood.

For info, Ancestry probate is now 1858 to 1966, 1973 to 1996 (not sure what has happened to 1967 to 1972)!

Jude

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

>>>>>>>>>90 Broad Lane, Tottenham, Middlesex, England<<<<<<<<<


Caroline Lewis Head Widow Female Charwoman 51 1860 County of Middlesex

Henry Bishop Son Widower Male Engineer 32 1879 County of Middlesex

Emily Bishop Daughter Single Female Presser 24 1887 County of Middlesex

Henry Charles Bishop Son Single Male Dispatcher 23 1888 County of Middlesex

Alice Lewis Daughter Single Female Eye Litter Bugs And Labels 16 1895 County of Middlesex

Henry Bishop Grandson Single Male School 13 1898 County of Middlesex

Just received the birth certificate for Sidney Albert Bishop date of birth 2 Oct 1910

born at the city of London lying in hospital no father mother Emily Rebecca Bishop sewing machinist address 90 Broad lane Tottenham .

That could be him with that family in 1911, had a quick look found Emily Bishop on a couple of census will do more research later just thought I would let you know.

Ann

Thanks Flip
have sent for the birth certificate of the Sidney Bishop born 1910.

Would love some answers about him for my cousin she found out by accident when as child how he died, she can not understand some one taking their own life leaving behind a family he had no money worry's owned his own home,

Ann



Ann

Sorry, I'd forgotten Ancestry only went up to 1966 as I now use the link I posted.

It looks likely (well in my opinion) that he got his birth year wrong on the 1939 register, if born 2 Oct he would have been 6 months old when the 1911 census was conducted on 2 April - which is what is declared on the census posted by Argyllgran.

Where he was living on the 1911 census is not exactly a "children's home", but the occupation of the wife on that census is foster mother and that she had 3 young nurse children (or foster children) could indicate a life in care. It could be that he moved on to a children's home when old enough.

I'd be tempted to buy the BC, although he may not have known his exact DOB for the 1939 register, so it may not confirm anything. Maybe worth checking the workhouse records for the area at the time of his birth?

Thanks probate records on ancestry only go up to 1966 that is why I could find them on there.


Ann

Annabel -
the probate details are in 1967, page 7 of the results which come up on the website posted by Flip.

Found on here - free to search:

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Also, Ancestry has some probate details - but at least the above doesn't need a subscription.

Hi Flip
where did you find the probate details for Sidney Albert Bishop

Ann

Probate confirms middle name for Sidney Albert:

Of Orilla New Yatt, Witney Oxfordshire. Died 19/11/1966, probate to widow Gladys Murial Bishop. £2512

This could be the illegitimate Sidney born in Holborn in 1910.


Sidney Bishop
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Sidney Bishop
Age in 1911: 6/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Nurse Child (Nurse) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 34 Kings Road, Lower Tottenham
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: East Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 251
Piece: 7312
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Humphries 69 - Bar fitter porter
Sophia M Humphries 68 - foster mother
Mary E Humphries 23 - daughter, domestic servant
Gladys Lush 3 - Nurse child
Alice Peirson 1 - Nurse child
Sidney Bishop 6/12

Got his middle name from my cousin his daughter she was 4 when he died and 15 when her mother died.

As you said Sidney ended up in Oxfordshire, is this his death?

EDIT: Yes it is - just seen your post above.


Sidney A Bishop
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Sidney A Bishop
Birth Date: abt 1911
Date of Registration: Dec 1966
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: Witney
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 1183

He married two of my mums sisters first one Florence Cooper she died he then married Gladys Buckingha my mums half sister, he died in 1966 in Oxfordshire. He was strange private man I think he would have put father unknown, His children have no records

Address on the birth certificate 166 Estcourt rd registration district north west Fulham

mother Ada Elizabeth Fox father James Alfred Bishop same people in the 1911 census

Thank you Ann

Where did you get his middle name please? He has given an initial when he married or on the 1939 register.

Maybe he got the year wrong on the 1939 register, the one posted by Prickles appears to be illegitimate as no mmn:

BISHOP, SIDNEY ALBERT - Order
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 564