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William Mummery and Emily Cline

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mgnv

mgnv Report 31 Mar 2017 02:44

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MUMMERY, WILLIAM HENRY LETFORD Order
GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 456

Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)
LETFORD Polly Camberwell 1d 1056
MUMMERY John William Camberwell 1d 1056
etc

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CLINE, EMILY ELIZA BLACKALL Order
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 207

Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%)
BLACKALL Hannah Hackney 1b 815
Cline Edmund Hackney 1b 815
etc

Guessing:
Deaths
1903q4 Mummery Polly 49 Hackney 1b 273
1927q1 Mummery John W 73 Hackney 1b 588
1929q4 Cline Edmund 72 Hackney 1b 459
1949q2 Cline Hannah 92 Wandsworth 5d 611

Here are our couple plus sibs back to 1881:

1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9C2-BVJ
Civil Parish Hackney
Ecclesiastical Parish Clapton All Saints
Sub-District Central Hackney
Registration District Hackney
Residence Note Blurton Road
John Mummery Head M 47 Ripple, Kent ENGINE DRIVER (STATIONERY)
Polly Mummery Wife F 47 London
Fanny Mummery Daughter F 20 London
Willm Mummery Son M 17 London COACH PAINTER
Harriett E Mummery Daughter F 21 London
Nelly Mummery Daughter F 13 London
John W Mummery Son M 5 London

1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3R25-RMM
Parish Hackney
Ecclesiastical Parish ALL SAINTS
Registration District Hackney
Residence Note Blurton Road
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 198/ 142 Page Number 59
John Mummery Head M 37 Kent, England Geocer Porter
Polly Mummery Wife F 35 London, England
Harriet Mummery Daughter F 11 London, England
Fanny Mummery Daughter F 10 London, England
William A Mummery Son M 7 London, England
Nellie Mummery Daughter F 4 London, England
Morrie Mummery Daughter F 0 London, England

1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-NDYH
Event Place Islington, London,Middlesex, England
Registration District Islington
Residence Note Kingsbury Rd
Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 252/33 Page Number 6
Tom H Letford Head M 47 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Printer (Compositor)
Mary A Letford Wife F 55 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Emma Letford Daughter F 25 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Harriet Letford Daughter F 21 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Jane Letford Daughter F 17 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
John N Mummery Son In Law M 27 Ripple, Kent, England Printers Warehouseman
Polly Mummery Daughter F 27 Kensington, Middlesex, England
Harriet Mummery Grand Child F 1 Islington, Middlesex, England



1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9JM-M8W
County Essex
Civil Parish Cann Hall
Ecclesiastical Parish Harrow Green
Sub-District South Leyton
Registration District West Ham
Residence Note Avenue Road
Registration Number RG13 Piece/Folio 1609/ 54 Page Number 34
Edmund Chine Head M 44 Woolwich, London STOKER AT HOSPITAL
Hannah Chine Wife F 44 Hackney, London
Hannah Chine Daughter F 20 Enfield, Middlesex
John Chine Son M 19 Enfield, Middlesex SERVANT DOMESTIC
Emily Chine Daughter F 17 Enfield, Middlesex
Louisa Chine Daughter F 15 Leyton, Essex
Alice Chine Daughter F 12 Stratford, Essex
William Chine Son M 5 Leytonstone, Essex
[Both Ancestry/FS give Chine - FMP/GR give Cline]

1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2R7-JT2
Registration Number RG12 Piece/Folio 1315/ 79 Page Number 22
[See RG's post]

1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Z-JSWX
Event Place Enfield, Middlesex, England
Registration District Edmonton
Residence Note Chase Side Hope Cottages
Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 1392/88 Page Number 49
Edmund Cline Lodger M 24 Woolwich, Kent, England Loco Fireman G W Rly (Stoker)
Hannah Cline Lodger Wife F 24 Hackney, Middlesex, England
Edmund Cline Lodger Son M 2 Homerton, Middlesex, England
Hannah Cline Lodger Daughter F 1 Enfield, Middlesex, England

FS is pretty useless for 1911. I would do much better searching fot Mummery in piece 1083 or Cline in piece 1101 - both are parts of Central Hackney subdistrict in Hackney RD.
I would do the search at either of:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2352
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/1911-census-for-england-and-wales

When I say I would do much better, it's not exactly true for me as I don't have a sub

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Mar 2017 09:22

I think it all ties in Jonsey as the Emily Eliza Mummery nee Cline died in Bromley aged 100 years. Death posted above.

Dianad

Dianad Report 30 Mar 2017 07:49

Chris Ho :) that is the Brother! thanks I will see if they have read that

MargaretM - Hi sorry you are right, I saw so much information on here and did not have time to digest, thank you so much!

I will print all this off and get it in some sort of order for my friend

thanks to everyone who contributed

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Mar 2017 07:27

(below the 1911 FMP)

Chris :)

1911 (Find My Past)
William Mummery Head Married Male Railway Porter 27 1884 London Stoke Newington
Emily Mummery Wife Married Female - 27 1884 London Stratford
William Mummery Son - Male - 4 1907 London Clapton
Lional Mummery Son - Male - 2 1909 London Clapton
John Mummery Son - Male - 0 1911 London Camberwell
Address 2 Albert Cottages Marlborough Road Old Kent Road
Census reference RG14PN2539 RG78PN85 RD27 SD4 ED20 SN662


MUMMERY, LIONEL GEORGE (CLINE)
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 402

MUMMERY, WILLIAM JOHN (CLINE)
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 425

MUMMERY, JOHN EDWARD (CLINE)
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 829

MUMMERY, SIDNEY RICHARD (CLINE)
GRO Reference: 1913 M Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 1659


1911 (Find My Past)
Edmund Cline Head Married Male Engineman Not Working 54 1857 Kent Woolwich
Hannah Cline Wife Married Female - 54 1857 Hackney Essex
John Cline Son Single Male Soldier 29 1882 Enfield Middex
William Cline Son Single Male Laborer (Bottled Beers)15 1896 Leytonstone Essex
Albort Jeapeas Boarder Single Male Cabinet Maker 22 1889 Shoreditch London
Address 248 Daubeney Road Clapton Park N E
Parish St John At Hackney
Census reference RG14PN1101 RG78PN36 RD11 SD3 ED28 SN56
(says Married 33yrs, 8 children born, 7 living, 1 died)

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 29 Mar 2017 22:37

You do realize, Jonsey, that the 1911 census at Bridge St. is not the right couple , the ages are way out.
The 1911 census that I posted is the correct one and William was born Stoke Newington, London and Emily at Stratford, London.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 29 Mar 2017 21:35

(possibly the Brother below)

Chris :)

In Memory of Corporal JOHN RICHARD CLINE DCM
6th Dragoon Guards (Carabiniers) who died aged 37 on Sunday, 19th May 1918.

Corporal CLINE was the son of Edmund and Hannah Cline; husband of Mrs. M. C. Cline, of 120, Mandeville St., Clapton Park, London. Native of Clapton Park, Hackney.

Remembered with honour
ETAPLES MILITARY CEMETERY, Pas de Calais, France.


UK, Citations of the Distinguished Conduct Medal, 1914-1920 (Ancestry)

J.R. Cline 31 Oct 5291 6th Dragoon Guards (Carabiniers)

5291 Private J.R. Cline, 6th Dragoon Guards.
For great gallantry on the night of 31st October in taking up a position of great danger on the left of our line, which was out of touch with all other troops and conveying information of the enemy's movements.
His action was instrumental in preventing a body of our troops from being surrounded.


UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929 (Ancestry)

John Richard Cline 19 May 1918 France 6th Drg Guards D/20382
(Widow, sole leg. Maud C. £23)


https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(if Edmund Cline 1929 on above)


CLINE, JOHN RICHARD (BLACKALL)
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 337


CLINE, EMILY ELIZA (BLACKALL)
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 207


https://tinyurl.com/n6vh4uw

(for Cemetery, John)


http://www.everymanremembered.org/profiles/soldier/499983/

(From above, Simply click on the name above and you’ll be invited to place a poppy in their memory on our interactive map. You can then choose a dedication which will appear on their profile. It’s that simple.)

Dianad

Dianad Report 29 Mar 2017 21:13

Hi everyone - what a lot of info! She is Emily Cline - so births for that

I found the 1911 at 57 bridge street - I found the marriage william mummery to Emily cline, I was told they were from Kent

I will ask my friend about more specific dates

I know Emily Cline had a brother who was in the 1st world war as they are going to visit the war grave in may he got a top uk bravery medal, and when in hospital recovering - the hospital was bombed up and he was killed

Thanks again for all the hard work! :-D

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 29 Mar 2017 20:53

Births Dec 1883 (>99%)
MUMMERY William Henry Hackney 1b 456

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 29 Mar 2017 20:47

I think that is the correct 1911 census Margaret as William's occupation ties in with the 1939 register. In 1911 William gives his place of birth as Stoke Newington.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 29 Mar 2017 20:44

9 more children after 1911 in Camberwell between 1914-1928

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 29 Mar 2017 20:42

Don't suppose it was below?...(Married 5yrs 1911)

Chris :)

Marriages Sep 1906 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------------
HALL Edith Elizabeth Edmonton 3a 1169
MUMMERY William Edmonton 3a 1169
Rhys David Ivor Edmonton 3a 1169
SMITH Emma Edmonton 3a 1169

(if 1911 one below)

1881
5, Dour Cottages, Charlton Near Dover, Dover, Kent, England
Robert Mummery Head Married Male 58 1823 Boot Maker Folkestone, Kent, England
Maria Mummery Wife Married Female 45 1836 - Dover, Kent, England
William Mummery Son Single Male 18 1863 No Occupation Folkestone, Kent, England
Jane S Mummery Daughter Single Female 18 1863 No Occupation Folkestone, Kent, England


https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(if Edmund Cline 1929 on above. Manor Park Cemetery. Newham)

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 29 Mar 2017 20:41

No children on the 1911 census that Jonsey mentioned but 3 in the one that I posted.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 29 Mar 2017 20:40

Didn't know English marriages gave birth place. Are you sure that wasn't just her place of residence at the time of the marriages?

I think her birth was registered in West Ham and this is her in 1891.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Queen Street, West Ham, Essex, England

Edmund Cline Head Married Male 34 1857 Engine Driver Woolwich, Kent, England
Hannah Cline Wife Married Female 34 1857 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Edmund Cline Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Stratford, Essex, England
Hannah Cline Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Enfield, Middlesex, England
John R Cline Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Enfield, Middlesex, England
Emily E Cline Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Stratford, Essex, England
Louisa Cline Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Stratford, Essex, England
Alice Cline Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Stratford, Essex, England

malyon

malyon Report 29 Mar 2017 20:36

did Emily and William have children in 1911 census

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 29 Mar 2017 20:36

I think this more like them in 1911:
Emily Mummery
in the 1911 England Census
View
1911 England Census
Name:
Emily Mummery
Age in 1911:27
Estimated birth year:
abt 1884
Relation to Head:
Wife
Gender:
Female
Birth Place:
STRATFORD, England
Civil Parish:
Camberwell
Search Photos:
Search for 'Camberwell' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island:
London
Country:
England
Street address:
2 Albert Cottages, Marlborough Road, Old Kent Road
Marital Status:
Married
Years Married:
6
Estimated Marriage Year:
1905
Registration district:
Camberwell
Registration District Number:
27
Sub-registration district:
St George
ED, institution, or vessel:
20
Piece:
2539
Household Members:

William Mummery 27
Emily Mummery 27
William Mummery 4
Lional Mummery 2
John Mummery 0

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 29 Mar 2017 20:31

On the image of the 1939 register, Emily's DOB is 31 Jan 1884.

EMILY ELIZA
Last name MUMMERY
Gender Female
Birth day 31
Birth month 1
Birth year 1884
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1984
District Bromley
Register number 1084
County Kent
Volume 11
Page 1153
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
© Findmypast

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 29 Mar 2017 20:25

From the 1939 register she was born 1884

Household (6 People)
1 Old Bromley Road , Lewisham, London, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S)
Emily E Mummery
DOB
26 Jun 1884
SEX
Female
OCCUPATION
Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS
Married
SCHEDULE
106
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
2
William H Mummery
DOB
30 Oct 1883
SEX
Male
OCCUPATION
Railway Goods Checker
MARITAL STATUS
Married
SCHEDULE
106
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
1
Albert C Mummery
Frank Mummery
Alice Adams (Mummery)
Don Emily Byrne

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 29 Mar 2017 20:24

Is this the marriage?

William Henry Mummery
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
View
London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name:
William Henry Mummery
Estimated birth year:t 1884
Age:
21
Spouse:
Emily Eliza Cline
Spouse Age:21
Record Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
31 Aug 1905
Parish:
All Saints, Clapton Park
Borough:
Hackney
Father Name:
John William Mummery
Spouse Father:
Edmond Cline
Register Type:
Parish Register

EDIT: BUT if that's them at 57 Bridge St., Folkestone in 1911 he's 48 and she's 39!

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 29 Mar 2017 20:20

EMILY ELIZA
Last name CLINE
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1905
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ EMILY ELIZA CLINE married one of these people
William Henry Mummery, James Betts
District Hackney
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1B
Page 869
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

malyon

malyon Report 29 Mar 2017 20:04

what was her age when Emily married

could this be Emily born 1874

Deaths Sep 1961   (>99%)

MUMMERY
 Emily
 87
 Folkestone
 5b
475