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Ivy's children were registered with MMN of Patterson, the surname of the family who had taken her in 1911.
Rose
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could frank have gone to germany
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yFrank Frankenburg
United States Census, 1880
Name:
Frank Frankenburg
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Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1880
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Event Place:
Winnebago, Illinois, United States
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Event Place (Original):
Winnebago, IL
Gender:
Male
Age:
18
Marital Status:
Single
Race:
White
Race (Original):
W
Occupation:
Farm Servant
Birth Year (Estimated):
1862
Birthplace:
Wisconsin, United States
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Father's Birthplace:
Germany
Mother's Birthplace:
Germany
Relationship
W. G. Hicks Self Male 35 England
Hattie Hicks Wife Female 34 Canada
Lizzie Hicks Daughter Female 13 Illinois, United States
Charles Hicks Son Male 5 Illinois, United States
Howard Hicks Son Male 2 Illinois, United States
Frank Frankenburg Other Male 18 Wisconsin, United States
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On Ralphs birth certificate it has Frank as a Hotel Chef.
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When she married mr Belshaw what did she give as her marital status
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I repeat........who registered the birth/?
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Re the suggestion that Frank might have been married to someone else -
just posting because of similar name, occupation , birthplace, and Lancashire marriage - though absolutely NO solid reason to think this might be the same man:
Frank Franken
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Frank Franken
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Germany <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Town Hall Lane Leicester
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Hotel Proprietor (temperance) <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration District: Leicester
Registration District Number: 407
Sub-registration District: South Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 19289
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Franken 36
Sophie Franken 30 - Leeds
Leslie Franken 7 - Manchester
Margarie Franken 1 - Leicester
Silian Franken 21 - servant [ Lilian Statham on image - mistranscribed ]
Mand Hardley 25 - servant
Janies Kirpatrick 56 - visitor
Fred Clarrk 36 - visitor
Marriages Sep 1902
Franken Frank Chorlton 8c 1600
Goldston Sophia Gertrude Chorlton 8c 1600
Goldston Sophie Gertrude Chorlton 8c 1600
FRANKEN, FRANCIS LESLIE mmn GOLDSTONE
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 899
FRANKEN, MARJORIE mmn GOLDSTON
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 272
Marjorie's death:
Deaths Mar 1928 (>99%)
Franken Marjorie 20 London C. 1c 4
Another child:
Birth:
FRANKEN, REGINALD ANTHONY mmn GOLDSTONE
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 814
Death:
FRANKEN, REGINALD ANTHONY 2
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 172
If Frank and Sophie were together constantly, the children's birth dates rule out his being aka Frankenburg - but if he occasionally popped back to Lancashire/Cheshire. . . . . ?
Just a thought!
Sophia/Sophie was a hotel book-keeper before marriage:
Sophia Goldstone
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Sophia Goldstone
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Simon Goldstone
Mother: Rebecca Goldstone
Birth Place: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Leeds
Sub-registration District: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Neighbors:
Piece: 4228
Folio: 26
Page Number: 27
Household Schedule Number: 165
Household Members:
Name Age
Simon Goldstone 60 - tailor
Rebecca Goldstone 58
Rose Goldstone 30
Jennie Goldstone 24
Sophia Goldstone 22 - hotel book-keeper
Reuben Goldstone 19
Florrie Goldstone 15
Cissie Goldstone 8
Frank Franken may have been a tailor in 1901 - hard to tell from the image:
Frank Franken
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Frank Franken
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Germany
Civil Parish: St James
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 17 Broad Street
Occupation:
Registration District: Westminster
Sub-registration District: St James, Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 8b
Neighbors:
Piece: 98
Folio: 107
Page Number: 21
Household Schedule Number: 702
I don't see Frank & Sophie, nor Francis Leslie, after 1911.
There's an F Franken in the Pioneer Corps, 1940-45 - but the records are on Fold3, so I can't see if that's Francis Leslie or not.
No sign of him on 1939 Register.
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Frank Franken
in the UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name: Frank Franken
Publication Year: 1908
Address: East Gates coffee
Residence Place: Leicestershire, Rutland, England
Occupation: Manager
Frank Franken
in the UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name: Frank Franken
Publication Year: 1909
Address: East Gates coffee
Residence Place: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Occupation: Manager
Frank Franken
in the UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name: Frank Franken
Publication Year: 1911
Residence Place: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Occupation: proprietor Waverley Temperance
Frank Franken
in the UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name: Frank Franken
Publication Year: 1912
Residence Place: Leicestershire, Rutland, England
Occupation: proprietor Waverley Temperance
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Many thanks for all your help.A few good lines of enquiry to explore there.
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BELSHAW, REGINALD FRANKENBURG
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in ULVERSTON Volume 08E Page 1362
BELSHAW, GEOFFREY FRANKENBURG
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in ULVERSTON Volume 08E Page 1362
BELSHAW, TERENCE COOPER
GRO Reference: 1917 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 148
These are mentioned as the children of Reginald Fairclough Belshaw on his Army service record.
There is a copy of a letter written by Esther on notepaper headed 'The Prince of Wales Hotel', Southport stating that she was Esther Amelia Belshaw formerly Frankenburg, she was a widow and this was her 2nd marriage (2 Aug 1913) Her children were Ralph Frankenburg (by 1st husband) 1 May 1910, Reginald and Geoffrey Belshaw, twins 15 Aug 1913 and Terence 12 Jan 1917. She signed A Belshaw. This is in response to a letter dated 22 Mar 1918 from the Records Office asking for a copy of her MC and BCs for any children.
Another piece written 18 June 1918 states he has 4 children, all boys, last one born 5 Nov 1917.
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also included is--dated 24/5/1918.
Wifes name and maiden name---Amelia ----mn Cooper.!
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