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Hi, many thanks for the messages. It's added lots of details for me.
Simon.

London Evening Standard 13 Feb. 1915.
Court case 1913 - Mrs Maxwell said that she was known as "Carrie Joy" and she had also passed as Mrs Cohen for some years.

Not in any GR trees

Marriages Mar 1912 (>99%)

Golden Max F Joy Lambeth 1d 457
Joy Carrie Golden Lambeth 1d 457
Maxwell William E D Whitaker Lambeth 1d 457
Whitaker Caroline Maxwell Lambeth 1d 457

Two marriages per page.........there is another couple on this one, so it seems that they must have given 'stage names' as well

The two births (Josephine and Jean) relate to this marriage

Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%)
Elliott Arthur R Williams Lambeth 1d 636
Williams Florence M Elliott Lambeth 1d 636

1939 Register
75 Belfield Road, Ewell, Epsom and Ewell M.B., Surrey, England
Arthur R Elliott 17 Jun 1896 Male Machine Compositor Linotype Married 62 1
Florence M Elliott 29 Nov 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 62 2
Josephine E Gray (Elliott) 22 Jun 1926 Female At School Single 62 3
The record for this person is officially closed.
Frederick R Tofts 29 Dec 1915 Male Machine Compositor Lino Single 62 5

Samuel Whitaker
in the 1871 England Census
Name Samuel Whitaker
Age 8
Estimated Birth Year 1863
Relation Son
Gender Male
Where born Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish Bradford
Ecclesiastical parish St Peter
County/Island Yorkshire
Country England
Registration district Bradford
Sub-registration district Bradford East End
ED, institution, or vessel 9
Household schedule number 189
Piece 4452
Folio 37
Page number 33
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Joseph Whitaker 31 Head, iron moulder
Selina Whitaker 30 Wife
Samuel Whitaker 8 Son


He's not with his parents in 1881:

Selina Whitaker
in the 1881 England Census
Name Selina Whitaker
Age 41
Estimated Birth Year abt 1840
Relationship to Head Wife
Spouse Joseph Whitaker
Gender Female
Where born Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish Bradford
County/Island Yorkshire
Country England
Street Address 4 Foundry St
Marital Status Married
Occupation Worsted Weaver
Registration district Bradford
Sub registration district Bradford, East End
ED, institution, or vessel 5
Neighbors
Piece 4441
Folio 92
Page number 13
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Joseph Whitaker 44 Head - Iron moulder in a foundry
Selina Whitaker 41 Wife
Mary E. Whitaker 8 Daughter

Parents' marriage:

Marriages Jun 1858 (>99%)
Rowley Selina Bradford Yk 9b 3
Whitaker Joseph Bradford Yk 9b 3

Birth

WHITAKER, LEMUEL ROWLEY
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page90

In a review of a music hall production in Poplar in 1890:

"Miss Carrie Joy sings and dances her way to favour very quickly. "

http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/HerFirstAppearance.htm

Possibly death

Deaths Mar 1936
Maxwell Caroline 72 Lambeth 1d 385

Age equates to c1864 birth !

And they were in Lambeth in 1921

Don’t know if it helps !

First name(s) Caroline
Country England
Last name Chatwin
Volume 6D
Birth quarter 3
Page 121
Birth year 1861
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Bush
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Birmingham
Subcategory Civil Births
County Warwickshire
Collections from Great Britain, England


Or

First name(s) Caroline
Country England
Last name Chatwin
Volume 6D
Birth quarter 1
Page 229
Birth year 1863
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Hollins
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Birmingham
Subcategory Civil Births
County Warwickshire
Collections from Great Britain, England


Name Caroline Chatwin
Age 8
Estimated Birth Year 1863
Relation Daughter
Gender Female
Where born Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish St Paul
County/Island Warwickshire
Country England
Registration district Birmingham
Sub-registration district All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel 1
Household schedule number 188
Piece 3128
Folio 18
Page number 31
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
George Chatwin
40
Head
Sarah Chatwin
37
Wife
Selina Chatwin
12
Daughter
Caroline Chatwin 8 Daughter
William Chatwin
5
Son
Albert Chatwin
4
Son
Leah Chatwin
1
Daughter
Anne Dalton
17
Servant
Elizabeth Hollins
73
Visitor
John Hollins
51
Visitor

An Ancestry tree has Caroline born Caroline Chatwin in Birmingham 1861 !!

Married Lemuel Whitaker 17 Oct 1881 in Birmingham - he was an Actor. Both aged 18

Her stage name given as Carrie Joy. No death for Lemuel or Caroline

If true, certainly wouldn't be having children after the marriage to William.

Got to leave this now - but intrigued

Marriages Dec 1924 (>99%)
Williams Alysia H Elliott Croydon 2a 798

Elliott Henry G Williams Croydon 2a 798


Two possible children

Births Dec 1925
Elliott Jean Edith Williams Croydon 2a 536

Births Sep 1926
Elliott Josephine Esther Williams Croydon 2a 675

Looks like she was living with edgar in 1939 and later took his name

They may not have been married as one or other weren't free to do so

Caroline alive 1921 as per census posted earlier

Deaths Jun 1978
MAXWELL ALYSIA HILDA 13SE1902 CHICHESTER 18 1480

Maybe he didn’t actually marry Alyisa

Added. Caroline may have died in 1916 Camberwell.

Strange changes to DOB’s as his birth was registered 3rd quarter 1889.Lambeth. ( from freebmd)

The ONLY marriage on freebmd for a woman named Alysia H is in 1924 of Williams to Elliott, so, if she married Maxwell it wasn’t in England or Wales

EDITED 12.57

Marriages Dec 1924 (>99%)
Elliott Henry G Williams Croydon 2a 798
Williams Alysia H Elliott Croydon 2a 798

1939 Register
40 Mitcham Road, Tooting, Wandsworth, Wandsworth, London, England

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Edgar D Maxwell 14 Aug 1893 Male Licensed Victualler Married 98 1
Alysia H Maxwell (Elliott) 13 Sep 1904 Female Bar Countermaid Married 98 2
Rose E Gregory 17 Jun 1883 Female Cook Widowed 98 3
Mary Baker (Mckennt) 10 Oct 1914 Female Housemaid Single 98 4
Mabel E Taylor 17 Dec 1903 Female Bar Counter Land Married 98 5

Alysia is listed with surname Elliott on the original. Her change of year of birth is indicated to be 1901. Her entry has been crossed through in red with an added note saying see page 17

Edgar's year of birth was originally written as 1890 with the change indicated to have been made 9.2.1946