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Linda, your post made me smile because my Mum used to refer to her period as Granny, she grew up in an orphanage so it was probably the way of the world back then. :-)

The 1921 Ancestry record -

Name Herbert J Wells
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Age 22 Years 8 Months
Relation to Head Boarder
Estimated Birth Year 1898
Birth Place London, England
Residence Date 1921
Residence Street Address 7 Denbigh Ter, W11
Residence Place Kensington, London, Middlesex, England
Occupation Draper's clerk
Occupation Code 939/6
Employer Desey & Sons Drapers
Employer Code 636
Place of Work High St Kensington
Inhabited Y
Ward Pembridge
Parliamentary Division Kensington Pb, North Div.
Registration district Kensington
Registration District Number 2
Sub registration district Kensington North
Sub Registration District Number 2
Respondent Mr Cullen
Enumeration District Name Kensington Mb
Enumeration District 45
Schedule 204
Schedule Type Code E
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William C Cullen 47 Years 8 Months Head
Rose E Cullen 46 Years 1 Month Wife
Charles W Cullen 22 Years 4 Months Son
Philip Cullen 17 Years 11 Months Son
Walter J Cullen 16 Years 6 Months Son
Kathleen D Cullen 11 Years 8 Months Daughter
Sidney Cullen 8 Years 8 Months Son
Norah Cullen 4 Years 2 Months Daughter
Ernest E Sandell 48 Years 4 Months Boarder
Herbert J Wells 22 Years 8 Months Boarder

Thank you. Greyghost that’s him I’ve been going loopy looking for him he was a sly old fox?? didn’t talk much about his family but the only truth he told me was that his was Canadian thank you so much agan

Could this be him - no other Herbert J Wells born 1898 +/- 2 years England/Wales

1921 Census Of England & Wales
7, Denbigh Terrace, Kensington, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
William C Cullen Head Male 1873 47 Gorleston, Norfolk, England Fathers Labourer Assistant Architict Deparment London Country Council
Rose E Cullen Wife Female 1875 46 Notting Hill, London, England Home Duties -
Charles W Cullen Son Male 1899 22 Ramsgate, Kent, England Butcher Gerrge White Butcher
Philip Cullen Son Male 1903 17 Notting Hill, London, England Gercers Assistant Out Of Work
Walter J Cullen Son Male 1905 16 Notting Hill, London, England Draper Porter Court Dressmaker Donald Mc Donald
Kathleen D Cullen Daughter Female 1909 11 Notting Hill, London, England - -
Sidney Cullen Son Male 1912 8 Notting Hill, London, England - -
Norah Cullen Daughter Female 1917 4 Notting Hill, London, England - -
Ernest E Sandell Boarder Male 1873 48 Paddington, London, England Pensioner Messenger L M Customs & Excuse
Herbert J Wells Boarder Male 1898 22 London, England Drapers Clerk Desey & Sons Drapers

EDIT - an Ancestry tree shows his marriage certificate to Gladys Nellie Langston at St John, Ealing Dean, when his occupation is said to be a Carpenter, so a change of job from 1921 ! His Father in law is a Carpenter so a possible change in 2 years ?

The 1939 register shows him as a House painter with a knowledge of carpentry. Said to be married but Nellie not there. Son Kenneth listed with him.

Just to place him and family - mmn Heyson

1911 Census For England & Wales
38 Drayton Green West Ealing, Ealing, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Wells Head Married Male 45 1866 Speculatory builder Ealing; Middlesex
Alice Wells Wife Married Female 44 1867 - Canada Mahone Bay
Donald Wells Son Single Male 19 1892 Carpenter Jamaica West Indies
May Wells Daughter Single Female 18 1893 - Middlesex Ealing
William Wells Son Single Male 16 1895 Pawn brokers assistant Middlesex Ealing
Stanley Wells Son - Male 14 1897 Carpenter's apprentice Middlesex Ealing
Herbert Wells Son - Male 12 1899 School Middlesex Ealing
Robert Wells Son - Male 10 1901 School Middlesex Ealing
Emma Wells Daughter - Female 8 1903 School Middlesex Ealing
George Wells Son - Male 7 1904 School Middlesex Ealing
Alice Wells Daughter - Female 5 1906 School Middlesex Ealing
Raymond Wells Son - Male 3 1908 - Middlesex Ealing
Eileen Wells Daughter - Female 2 1909 - Middlesex Ealing
Luke Wells Father Widower Male 72 1839 Carpenter Berkshire West Ilsley

Sorry have not been on for a few days


Herbert John wells born 1898 in Ealing middesex it’s two years before he got married to my granny and they lived in the same town
Thank for any help

Linda, if you think you've hit a brickwall why not provide details of your ancestor, like ZZzzz, as I'm sure some on here would only be too happy to take a look for you afterall more eyes the better ;-)

I found my granny on my dads side but cannot find my granddad it was two years before they got married so he’s somewhere around, I know that the family bar but one brother moved down to Southend I’ve found his parents mind you he was a foxy old boy so he’s somewhere around probably doesn’t want me to find him :-) :-)

Yes she is Georgina Beatrice Bainbridge Nelson, thanks all.

I've submitted a correction on Ancestry, supported by the birth reg:

NELSON, GEORGINA BEATRICE BAINBRIDGE mmn SNOWDON
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 75

Don't have a sub to FMP.

Looking at the original document -

The transcriber has written what they think they can see. Personally I would say that the middle initial is a B and to my eyes the 3rd initial looks very much the same so I would have transcribed as GBB BUT I can perhaps see why it was transcribed as an R.

You can try putting in a correction, but don't know if FMP would accept that as they have to be 100% sure of the validity.

Wow thank you that is my lot, but where it says G B R Nelson, the R should be a B, she is my great Aunt.

MR MAGOO I blame them anyway. :-D

It would appear that Ancestry are using FMP transcriptions so the errors will be the same.
I think the transcriptions were done abroad probably an Asian country.

The handwriting is your ancestors so you have to blame them ;-)

Yes, that will be her.

As confirmation, there's more of her name given in 1911:

E Archer Nelson
in the 1911 England Census
.Name E Archer Nelson
Age in 1911 9
Estimated Birth Year abt 1902
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Birth Place Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil parish All Saints
County/Island Northumberland
Country England
Street Address 9 Sanitary Place Shieldfield Newcastle
Marital Status Single
Occupation School
Registration District Number 558
Sub-registration district All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel 01
Piece 30640
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Stephen Nelson 52 Head
Caresline Nelson 46 Wife [Caroline on image ]
S W Nelson 20 Son
John George Nelson 19 Son
Joseph Nelson 18 Son
James Nelson 17 Son
Stephen Nelson 15 Son
G B R Nelson 1 Daughter
E Archer Nelson 9 Daughter

Could this be her - initials only for her names.

E A Nelson in 1921
1921 Census Of England & Wales
40, Falconar Street, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Stephen Nelson Head Male 1859 62 Yorkshire, England Passenger Guard North Eastern Railway
Caroline Nelson Wife Female 1866 55 Durham, Durham, England Household Duties At Home
S W Nelson Son Male 1890 31 Northumberland, England Goods Loaded North Eastern Railway
Stephen Nelson Son Male 1896 25 Percy Main, Northumberland, England Fitter H Whitson & Son
E A Nelson Daughter Female 1901 19 Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Office Cleaniner -
Annie Nelson Daughter-in-law Female 1893 28 Durham, England Household Duties At Home
James Nelson Grandson Male 1920 1 Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England - -
Sybil Jackson Visitor Female 1904 17 Willington, Durham, England Private 6 Victroia Square

ArgyllGran. Thank you, my Grandmother is Esther Archer Nelson, she was born 1901 in Newcastle England, and died 1985 in Australia. my Mum was born 1923 Newcastle.

If you like to tell us your grandmother's name and DOB, we'll be happy to have a look for her in 1921.

nameslessone. my Grandmother was unmarried when she had my Mum, well I haven't found a marriage for her, also there is no Father on Mums birth cert, all she ever said is that he was a business from Reading, she and my Grandmother were both born in Newcastle England.
Business man. DOH.

Have you checked the marriage date with the actual date of the census?
Have you looked for both her married name and her maiden name?

Without more details, ZZzzz, it's impossible to say.
Have you considered that her name might be mistranscribed or mis-spelled?