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hi everyone I am trying to find a JOSEPH SOLOMON in the 1861 census.

He married in 1857 and on his marriage certificate it gives his age as 34 so was born about 1823.
He is classed as a general dealer.Address as 15 Davison street.

His wife named as REBECA SOLOMON b1829

Any help gratefully appreciated

Well they are not at 15 Davison Street as that is occupied by a shoemaker called James Hughes and his wife.

I can't seem to find them in 1861.

Do you know the names of any of their children?

Kath. x

I have a problem with the Solomons in my tree.
I have found JOSEPH SOLOMON on all the census but his wife is named as JANE.
My ancestor is JANE SIMS
I have found a JOSEPH and a JANE SOLOMON on all the census and on the 1861 census Jane has her brother staying with her ,GEORGE FREDRICK SIMS.
My problem is that I cannot find a marriage between Joseph and Jane.
Than someone told me that Jane took the jewish name of REBECCA and I found the marriage 21/10/1857 between a JOSEPH SOLOMON and REBECCA SOLOMON

I thought this was the correct marriage but I am trying to prove it.
One of the problems being REBECCAS father is given as ABRAHAM SOLOMON deceased and jJANE SIMS father was THOMAS SIMS.

I am wondering if she would lie about her father or is it possible she took a ''jewish ''father

JOSEPH and JANE SOLOMON have children from 1849

I know this is complicated but I thought if I could find JOSEPH and REBECCA SOLOMON in the census that would rule out the possibility of the marriage certificate I have being my ancestors.

thsanks for your help

Joseph Solomon
mentioned in the record of Joseph Solomon and Rebecca Davis
Name
Joseph Solomon
Spouse's Name
Rebecca Davis
Event Date
10 Feb 1850
Event Place
Saint Katherine Coleman,London,London,England

1861 ???????
33, Bank Street, Cheetham, Manchester, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Solomon Head Married Male 36 1825 Jeweller Lancashire, England
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Jane Solomon Wife Married Female 32 1829 - Essex, England
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Isaac Solomon Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar Ashton, Lancashire, England
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Eli Solomon Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Wigan, Lancashire, England
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Sarah Solomon Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Wigan, Lancashire, England
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Abraham Solomon Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar Wigan, Lancashire, England
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George F Sims Boarder Unmarried Male 38 1823 French Polisher Colchester, Essex, England
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Manchester Rate Books 1706-1900 Transcription

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First name(s) Joeseph
Last name Solomon
Occupier's first name(s) Joeseph
Occupier's last name Solomon
Owner's last name Murray
Date Aug 1861
Year 1861
House number 41
Address Cheetham St
Location Cheetham Township
Title of record Poor Rate Assessments
Archive reference M 10/7/5/18
Record set Manchester Rate Books 1706-1900
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Rate Books
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Manchester Rate Books 1706-1900 Transcription
First name(s) Joseph
Last name Solomon
Occupier's first name(s) Joseph
Occupier's last name Solomon
Owner's first name(s) James
Owner's last name Kay
Date Aug 1860
Year 1860
House number 33
Address Bank Street
Location Cheetham Township
Title of record Poor Rate Assessments
Archive reference M 10/7/5/17
Record set Manchester Rate Books 1706-1900
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Rate Books
Collections from Great Britain

Joseph Salomon
Deutschland Geburten und Taufen
Name
Joseph Salomon
Gender
Male
Birthplace
birth:
4 July 1822
JUDEN UND DISSIDENT, MUNSTER STADT, WESTFALEN, PRUSSIA
Father's Name
Abraham Salomon
Mother's Name
Julie Herz

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George Frederic
Last name Sims
Birth year 1821
Birth date 18 Sep 1821
Baptism year 1823
Baptism date 26 Oct 1823
Place Colchester
Denomination Independent
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
County Essex
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/357
Description ESSEX: Colchester, Stockwell Chapel, formerly Helens Lane Meeting House (Independent): Births & Baptisms
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain


First name(s) Jane
Last name Sims
Birth year 1828
Birth date 30 May 1828
Baptism year 1828
Baptism date 15 Jun 1828
Place Colchester
Denomination Independent
Father's first name(s) Thos
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
County Essex
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/357
Description ESSEX: Colchester, Stockwell Chapel, formerly Helens Lane Meeting House (Independent): Births & Baptisms
Record set England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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Well, the Joseph on above census was a Jeweller in 1861 but he was certainly 'dealer' of some sort before that:

At least 2 of these baptisms seem to connect?


Baptism: 22 May 1853 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Eli Solomon - Son of Joseph Solomon & Jane
Born: 3 Mar 1853
Abode: Millgate
Occupation: Hardware Dealer
Baptised by: Howard St George Curate
Register: Baptisms 1851 - 1854, Page 275, Entry 2199
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Baptism: 10 Dec 1854 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Hannah Solomon - [Child] of Joseph Solomon & Jane
Born: 27 Oct? 1854
Abode: Wiend
Occupation: Hardware Dealer
Notes: [Birth month obscured by Minister's signature]
Baptised by: F H Coldwell Curate
Register: Baptisms 1854 - 1857, Page 81, Entry 645
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Baptism: 10 Sep 1856 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
George Frederick Soloman - [Child] of Joseph Soloman & Jane
Born: 18 Jul 1856
Abode: Wallgate
Occupation: Auctioneer
Baptised by: Saml. Doria officiating Minister
Register: Baptisms 1854 - 1857, Page 305, Entry 2435
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Dea x

does this help

Joseph Solomon
Sex Male
Wife Jane Simms ----------------------
Son Isaac Solomon
Other information in the record of Isaac Solomon and Mary Lavisa Maybee Bigelow
from New York, New York City Marriage Records
Name Isaac Solomon
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 06 Sep 1883
Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Event Place (Original) Manhattan, New York
Gender Male
Age 32
Marital Status Single
Birth Year (Estimated) 1851
Birthplace Manchester, England
Father's Name Joseph Solomon
Mother's Name Jane Simms
Spouse's Name Mary Lavisa Maybee Bigelow
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 37
Spouse's Marital Status Widowed
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1846
Spouse's Birthplace Poughkeepsie, N. Y.
Spouse's Father's Name Daniel D. Maybee
Spouse's Mother's Name Esther Elizabeth Morgan
Citing this Record

"New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24SW-F6F : 20 March 2015), Joseph Solomon in entry for Isaac Solomon and Mary Lavisa Maybee Bigelow, 06 Sep 1883; citing Marriage, Manhattan, New York, New York, United
States, New York City Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,570,185.

Isaac Solomon

in the Massachusetts, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
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Name: Isaac Solomon
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Birth Date: abt 1851
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 7 Mar 1871
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Ship: Aleppo

Thank you for all your help . I am still unsure as to were to go from here,I will have to rethink thanks again much appreciated

maybe jane and joseph never married.

Joseph Solomon
mentioned in the record of Joseph Solomon and Rebecca Davis
Name
Joseph Solomon
Spouse's Name
Rebecca Davis
Event Date
10 Feb 1850
Event Place
Saint Katherine Coleman,London

could this be rebecca / jane

Name: Rebecca Jane Solomon
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Registration Year: 1894
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Salford
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 49

Thank you for all the help I will investigate further your information is much appreciated

There is this record on the new GRO Index which gives mother's maiden name as SIms.
Does it help or not?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
SOLOMON, ELI SIMS Order
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 46

Regards
Christine :-S

Thank you for ythat. I have received Eli's birth certificate but it does not really tell me anything I do not know already. I have quite a few of the other birth records but as they had quite a few children I have not sent for any.
Thank you for all your reply I really appreciate all the help

I am going to send for the death certificate of the Rebbeca Jane Sims that Maddie found. I never seem to gleam much information from death certificate s I have sent for in the past but perhaps this one will be differrent.
Thanks again for everyone's input much appreciated

I am going to send for the death certificate of the Rebbeca Jane Sims that Maddie found. I never seem to gleam much information from death certificate s I have sent for in the past but perhaps this one will be differrent.
Thanks again for everyone's input much appreciated

There are quite a few references to Joseph in the papers- he was a large figure in the Jewish community of Hanley

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Market Square, Hanley, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

Joseph Solomon Head - Male 44 1827 - Poland (Russia)
Jane Solomon Wife Mar Female 42 1829 - Essex, England
Eli Solomon Son Unm Male 19 1852 - Lancashire,
Sarah Solomon Daur Unm Female 16 1855 Dressmaker Lancashire,
Urahan Solomon Son - Male 14 1857 Glass Cutter Lancashire,
Jacob Solomon Son - Male 7 1864 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire,
Leah Solomon Daur - Female 5 1866 Scholar Staffordshire, England
Marian Solomon Daur - Female 2 1869 - Staffordshire,
Ellen Badderley - Unm Male 24 1847 General Servant Staffordshire,
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
59, Harley Street, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

Joseph Solomon Head Married Male 53 1828 Jeweller Poland (Russia)
Jane Solomon Wife Married Female 53 1828 - Colchester, Essex,
Albert Solomon Son Single Male 26 1855 Glass Engraver Wigan, Lancashire,
Leah Solomon Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Milliner Hanley, Staffordshire,
Hannah Solomon Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire,
Marian Solomon Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire,
Ester Solomon Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire,
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Jane 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Woerth Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Arthur S Schwarty Head Married Male 28 1863 Tailor Machiner Poland (Russia)
Hannah S Schwarty Wife Married Female 27 1864 - Hanley, Staffordshire,
Leah S Schwarty Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Widnes, Lancashire,
Abraham I Schwarty Son - Male 1 1890 - Leeds, Yorkshire,
Jane Soloman Relative Visitor Married Female 64 1827 - Colchester, Essex,
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Joseph 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Edward Street, Broughton, Salford, Lancashire, England

Joseph Solomon Head Married Male 70 1821 Jeweller Poland (Russia)
Esther Solomon Daughter Single Female 19 1872 Machinist Hanley, Staffordshire,
Philsby Berkensthod Lodger Single Male 54 1837 Traveller Poland (Russia)